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Linar Mardolak Minmatar Phlogiston Absorption	Posted - 2011.06.27 00:19:00 - [1] Originally by: OT Smithers It's amazing how many people have definitive opinions about **** they know little or nothing about -- including CCP's priorities and intentions. Even more amazing are the number of vocal screamers who are somehow convinced that CCP's real goal is to wreck their own game, or alternatively that CCP is just sooo stupid that they need clueless players to tell them what to do. It's not about wrecking the game. That doesn't actually factor into their decision, except as a vague regret. It's about money. CCP are in a financial situation that is tight and growing tighter. They're attempting to develop 3 relatively ambitious games on the revenue from one. They're behind on the development of the other two. They're located in a financially depressed country, and friends-and-family investment, like they've tended to depend on, is tight. They need to show return on investment to keep the investors from getting antsy. They might even be trying to close another round. MT has been proven over and over to make money from casual players, though at the expense of the devoted players. Add it up. Wrecking the game doesn't really come into it when you're trying to survive as a company and keep your job. CCP's goal, like any corporation, is to survive, make money, and grow, returning value to their investors. Eve doesn't matter other than as a tool to do that. If they have to do something else to survive, make money, and return value to their investors, they will.
Linar Mardolak Minmatar Phlogiston Absorption	Posted - 2011.06.27 00:22:00 - [2] Originally by: Saska Samar Originally by: Maplestone Originally by: JC Anderson Especially when it goes into how they tracked the people that sent them all the hate mail over mt... And found that those same people were purchasing pay-to-win items not long after. That actually doesn't suprise me at all. People scratch where it itches. The people most upset are the ones who know that if they continue playing, they will end up paying. Still ignoring that the BF game was FREE and they started paying where Eve is already subscription based. Yes some people play Eve.... not for free though as they have spend time earning the ISK before they earn money for stuff Yes, to truly go to a f2p model, the Eve character plan will have to change, because offline training and f2p cannot work together. Perhaps character classes will be necessary - they're easier for casual players to understand anyway.
Linar Mardolak Minmatar Phlogiston Absorption	Posted - 2011.06.27 01:29:00 - [3] Originally by: Razin Edited by: Razin on 27/06/2011 00:34:15 Originally by: Peter Greed Regrettably, after watching http://www.slideshare.net/bcousins/paying-to-win (specifically at the 29:00 minute mark and forward), it has suddenly become crystal clear to me that: That's some pretty compelling material. However, does it apply entirely to the case of EVE? For example, if we consider vulnerability to detrimental effects of game affecting virtual goods, could the games discussed in the presentation be called 'virtual worlds' to the same extent as EVE, with it's total sandbox gameplay? The sandbox is what makes Eve special now. In the coming Eve, that won't matter so much.
Linar Mardolak Minmatar Phlogiston Absorption	Posted - 2011.06.27 01:32:00 - [4] Originally by: Hekira Soikutsu It will be fine as long as they don't introduce modules or sp in the Aurum store. Also as long as they don't spend too many dollars developing that end instead of the game. This is already happening. Where have you been? The mechanics for PLEX-for-remap and PLEX-for-SP are already built. Look it up, do some searching. Look at why T'Amber quit the CSM and Eve. Eve's not the one getting the money - it's WoD and DUST. Eve is in maintenance mode, other than tools to get more money out.
Linar Mardolak Minmatar Phlogiston Absorption	Posted - 2011.06.27 01:50:00 - [5] Originally by: Vherkin Other solution: -Abandon one of their project Likely, their current investments are based on WoD and DUST showing steady progress. Not an option. Originally by: Vherkin -Make smaller project that can add quick buck (for exemple, a browser game) No, that's not possible in this situation. I don't know if I can explain without sounding condescending, and I don't want to do that. I'm coming from a POV from inside the software industry, so it can be a little surprising what people on the outside think is possible. 6 months ago? Sure. Now, with the leak making something have to happen RIGHT NOW to calm the players so they can buy time to get the new microtransaction way built? No. Originally by: Vherkin -Augment subscription fee The industry is moving away from subscription fees and towards microtransactions. Why would they go somewhere that is proven not to work? Originally by: Vherkin -Do a pre-order of the most promising of the two projects Might make money, but if you've not noticed, the WoD forums aren't exactly positive about the prospects of WoD, either. As to console titles? People can take them or leave them. They're casual games. Originally by: Vherkin What they want to choose: -Screw over your dedicaced playerbase. -hope the one who will stay and buy your stuff will permit you to earn substentially more than the one who ran away screaming in rage and cursing your name. -let face it, it's a gamble, if in the end they only get a 5% to 10% increase i doubt it will have been worth it with all the bad press and damage to their reputation. They don't think it'll be a 5-10% increase. They are looking at things like that slideshow. It's pretty compelling. Leave your love for Eve behind and watch it from the point of view of a company in a tight spot. Besides, they made that gamble somewhere between 6 months and two years ago, when these decisions were made. They need to play their hand out - they don't really have a choice at this point.
Linar Mardolak Minmatar Phlogiston Absorption	Posted - 2011.06.27 01:57:00 - [6] Originally by: San Severina OP registers high on my idiot meter. Really? Did you watch that slideshow? The OP has some misunderstandings about PLEX, but you really should be able to understand that Eve is going to change quite drastically.
Linar Mardolak Minmatar Phlogiston Absorption	Posted - 2011.06.27 04:45:00 - [7] Originally by: Bardan Asoto Most people's accounts won't expire in a week and we can't confirm or disprove all the claims in that thread. But I know that my 2 accounts are unsubbed for the first time ever and quite a few things done to EVE have ****ed me off in the past. Yup. Main gone and expired already, this one's on the way. Never canceled, lapsed once in 5 years, always full-price monthly paid by card.
Linar Mardolak Minmatar Phlogiston Absorption	Posted - 2011.06.27 05:42:00 - [8] Originally by: Peter Greed Originally by: Callisto Ares Originally by: Peter Greed Originally by: RougeOperator Anyway Even was not F2P from the get go with a cash store from the get go. That game had 7 million players. Its not the same thing. Terrible example peter. Lol, I agree with you. It's wrong. It doesn't matter if it's the same thing. The same outcome is what matters..... It's THE example. I don't really know of any better parallel in online gaming history that could be better. Star Wars Galaxies Originally a subscription and player driven MMO, turned NGE to appeal to a wider audience, then eventually with a trading card game equivalent of micro transactions grafted on to further supplement income from a bleeding player base until finally set to shutdown this December. That's.... not what Eve is doing. From the start of this, I felt that the comparison to SWG was absolutely WAY off base with what's going on. SWG changed every single aspect of gameplay in an attempt to make it a more linear game experience. What they did was 100x worse that what is happening right now. That could change of course.... depending on how far CCP takes this. But it would never even come close to what happened to my favorite MMO of all time. I'm not quite sure that's not what they're doing. What has to happen to Eve's character development model in order to go F2P + MT? Extrapolate from there.

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